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The "Big Three" Automakers Bailout

The Big Three "Stick-Up": Bailing Out the Automakers Is Stepping Backwards

By Chris Nelder
Wednesday, November 19th, 2008

It was quite a spectacle watching the heads of the Big Three automakers beg the Senate Banking Committee for another $25 billion in bailout money yesterday.

Or should I say, watching them attempt to stick-up America.

"This is about much more than just Detroit," said GM chief Rick Wagoner, "It's about saving the U.S. economy from a catastrophic collapse."

Only a "bridge loan," he argued, could keep their long supply chain alive, and preserve public confidence in the companies so they might survive.

He ticked off the measures GM has already taken: Whacking $9 billion from its fixed cost base, on the way to $15 billion by 2011. Cutting hourly labor costs by $12 billion by 2010. Slashing pension and health care costs. Scaling back manufacturing capacity and discontinuing unprofitable truck models. Bonuses, raises, 401(k) contributions, and post-retirement health care are gone. By next year, the company will offer 20 new models that get at least 30 mpg, he said, as well as nine hybrids. Their hydrogen car test fleet is the largest in the world, he boasted, and they are going "all out" to bring the Chevy Volt PHEV to market "as soon as possible."

So don't tell him that GM isn't doing enough to adapt. Their crisis wasn't due to a flawed business model or an undesirable line of products, he asserted, but rather the same credit crisis that has sunk the financial sector.

There's nothing new about the latest crisis in Detroit; this is the same old song and dance we've heard again and again. Oh what the heck, let's play it again:

Since the first amphibians crawled out of the slime
We've been struggling in an unrelenting climb
We were hardly up and walking
Before money started talking
And it's sad that failure is an awful crime.

Well it's been that way for a millennium or two
But now it seems there's a different point of view
If you're a corporate titantic
And your failure is gigantic
Then in Congress there's a safety net for you.

I am changing my name to Chrysler
I am going down to Washington D.C.
I will tell some power broker
What they did for Iacocca
Will be perfectly acceptable to me
I am changing my name to Chrysler
I am headed for that great receiving line
So when they hand a million grand out
I'll be standing with my hand out
Yessir, I'll get mine.

—Tom Paxton, "I'm Changing My Name to Chrysler" (1979)

And after that bailout, immortalized in song, what did Chrysler give us? The infamous "K cars." I had one of those for a few years, a hand-me-down, and it was a total piece of junk. By the time I got rid of it, it was a veritable death trap, with a two-by-four propping up the driver's seat and an engine that ran at 4,000 RPM at all times and couldn't be fixed.

But I digress.

For the good of America, the auto titans argued to Congress, their businesses must be saved...while holding the gun of jobs at our backs.

GM even put out a YouTube video about the potential job losses (which stock analyst Henry Blodget rightly called "propaganda terrorism") saying that between the Big Three, there are:

  • 239,000 employees
  • 775,000 retirees and surviving spouses dependent on pensions and benefits
  • 610,000 workers employed by suppliers
  • 740,000 employees at 14,000 dealerships

One of every 10 jobs-13 million people-are reliant on the US auto industry, the video claimed, and if all of the Big Three's US operations ceased in 2009, nearly 3 million US jobs would be lost, with a huge blow to the economy.

"We can loan $25 billion now...or lose $156 billion later. What will WE do?" it concluded.

It's Not About the Jobs

That's right America: It's your problem. Just like the banks and insurance companies and everybody else we've been bailing out because they're "too big to let fail."

After the roughly $2 trillion already committed to stemming the credit crisis, an additional $25 billion in public money for the automakers (on top of the $25 billion loan program created by Congress in September to help them develop more fuel-efficient vehicles) seems almost trivial.

But it isn't.

Not only is it a moral hazard to reward unprofitable business practices, it's fundamentally wrong and anti-capitalistic.

It wasn't about the jobs when the automakers sent so much of their manufacturing overseas; that was about the bottom line.

It wasn't about the jobs when they built, and then destroyed, the EV-1 electric car program.

It wasn't about the jobs when they made decades of shoddy vehicles consumers shunned in favor of better products from foreign manufacturers.

It's only about the jobs when it costs them. For over 50 years, the Big Three have fought anything that was good for the public but which might cost them some profits, like installing $25 catalytic converters to reduce emissions, adding mandatory seatbelts, or making a serious investment in cleaner, next-generation vehicles. Then they're willing to spend millions to fight it.

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They have staunchly opposed fuel efficiency standards for decades, and ignored the impending threat of peak oil even as oil prices drove them out of business. General Motors began dismantling urban mass transit in the US in 1922, and has disrupted countless attempts at public transit ever since.

GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz even had the gall to call global warming a "a total crock of sh*t."

(For a painfully detailed history on the Big Three's shenanigans, check out Taken for a Ride by Jack Doyle, and the 1996 documentary film of the same name by Jim Klein.)

Even as the automakers created those all-important jobs while building their businesses, they also committed the entire country to an unsustainable infrastructure of far-flung suburbs and endless roads. We're about to pay an enormous price for that.

As it turns out, what has been good for GM is not good for the country in the long term.

Don't get me wrong. I have a great deal of sympathy for the good people who work in the Big Three's plants. The first part of my childhood was spent in Detroit, and I know full well how critical the auto industry is to that economy. It has broken my heart to see that once-great city fall into the disrepair and crime that plagues it today. But to my mind, that's all part of the proof that the Big Three have had their day.

I even have a little sympathy for the Big Three CEOs who are struggling to save their companies now. But the cutbacks they have made amount to pruning a dead tree.

Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way

At some point, our concern has to be the long-term sustainability of our economy, not just today's jobs. A truly sustainable economy has plenty of jobs; they just might be different from the jobs we have today.

And the sooner we commit to building that sustainable economy, the sooner we'll have the jobs we really need, making the things we really need, like truly high-efficiency vehicles. It's a bad joke that American manufactured vehicles in Europe already get 60+ MPG while the same models here get under 35.

Now, if GM fails, then so does the promise of the first serious American-made PHEV, the Chevy Volt. And that would be a shame. But I have no doubt that the world's more progressive automakers will be quick to fill that void. The Japanese manufacturers are already light-years ahead of the Big Three in PHEV technology, and are already tooled up to crank those vehicles out in mass production.

Meanwhile, scrappy young startups in Silicon Valley and elsewhere are preparing to leapfrog the industry in technology, with high-performance PHEVs and all-electric vehicles that blow the doors off of anything the Big Three have planned, like the Tesla and the Aptera. These companies are shooting for 100 mpg, not 30, and they plan to deliver it in about the same time frame.

We can do better, folks. With peak oil essentially already upon us, we must do better. The rest of the world is already doing better. Why cling to this lumbering beast that has done so much permanent damage to the long-term health of our country?

In the short term, I suppose we have no choice but to try to preserve some of the Big Three's jobs, because such a massive loss will really cut when the economy is as down and out as it is. But any sort of public bailout must come with a lot of strings attached, to force the companies to downsize, shed their obligations and start building vehicles for the 21st Century.

Eventually, however, I think they must go. For over 50 years, they have worked to ruin the future of transportation, stifle innovation, bury patents, and stop any progress on controlling emissions. They have spent hundreds of millions, and cost the public billions, in obstructing progress. This cannot be allowed to continue.

In the same way that that a redwood tree inhibits the growth of the understory by blocking the light before it can reach the forest floor, the Big Three have become an effective monopoly of bad design. Their company cultures are rotten to the core, and they are about to topple, making room and letting in sunshine where new, nimbler companies may sprout and thrive.

The only real transportation solutions for the future will run on electric power produced from renewable energy, because liquid fuels are going into terminal decline. Transportation of both people and goods will have to be switched rapidly over to electric rail and high-performance PHEVs. With the firm support of the Obama administration for a massive increase in renewable energy generation, a high-voltage long-distance grid, and research and development of battery technology, we can and will build those solutions right here at home. New companies will take over the Rust Belt, reopen Detroit's shuttered plants, and put everybody back to work.

But we don't need the Big Three to do it, and we don't need to do it at gunpoint.

Until next time,

chris nelder signature

Chris

P.S. There's no logical way to argue that the Big Three didn't see this coming.  And now, in order to get their $25 billion "bridge loan," they have to prove they're willing to retool and bring efficient vehicles to market—something they should've been doing years ago.  Like the Big Three, Big Oil is also in a precarious situation, for the same reasons that SUV sales have been on the wane: high fuel prices.  But unlike the Big Three, major oil companies are now quickly scrambling to break into the electric vehicle and renewable energy markets.  I call it Big Oil's $20 Trillion Secret, and you can read all about it right here.






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Comment by Billy on 2008-11-19
You should know, if we bail out the big 3, we will only hasten their death. I say let them file ch.11. In addition after bailing out the big 3, then we will have to bail out all the Auto parts companies.... yeah they are broke too.
Comment by jmcwillams on 2008-11-19
the auto companies have already spent billions to get themselves in line with what what they had to do to compete with jap cars but the bush policies have wrecked the buying power of the american people. Now he is determined to see that Obama can not get out of the hole he is in. Bush should be tried for treason among other crimes
Comment by Brian Spillane on 2008-11-19
I do not own an American car, nor do I do any business with the Auto Industry. However, I was born and raised in Detroit, though I live far from there now. I have always been a keen observer of the Auto Industry. I could not disagree with you more, and I did not vote for Obama. It may satisfy your sensibilities to see the big three go bankrupt, but if that happens, we need to start talking about Depression, not Recession. The fallout will be tremendous. GM has lots of vehicles with good gas mileage. Their product quality, while not as good as the Japanese, is pretty decent these days, and better than Mercedes, for instance. While I think Romney made many good points, the bottom line is the demise of the auto industry will shove us into a deep economic morass which will cost the Govt a hell of a lot more than the contemplated loans. Yes, the Union contracts need to be redone, but that is unlikely to happen with this new administration, and that's bad for the long term. I give you one star.
Comment by John Toler on 2008-11-19
You are quite correct on the whole article. However, the man made global warming is a crock of sh*t as there is absolutely no science that supports the political movement. If CO2 is a green house gas, all who believe that should be patriotic and hold there breath!
Comment by Frank Brettschneider on 2008-11-20
Happy to bailout wall street, an industry that produces nothing. The auto industry produces products and wealth in this country and employees millions. Not to bail them out is short sighted as the cost of this industry going down will be lots more than 28 billion.
Comment by j gurnham on 2008-11-20
Excellent- especially regarding electric vehicles-the mandatory urban vehicle for the future
Comment by Raymond Bowkus on 2008-11-20
You are in a mode of restructuring our infrastructure. Electric cars will not come close to satisfying the driving public. No one wants to drive four or five hours and plug in to recharge for 12 to 24 hrs. The argon gas emitted from electric motors will be an environmental problem. The massive power generation that will be required will cost trillions not billions. as far as the migration to suburbs, this is what caused our economy to grow by leaps and bounds. After all America is the land of opportunity. The Obama plan will stifle our individualism and our ability to overcome this mess that is caused more by government than by corporate policy. The manufacturers would not have sold SUV's had the market for them not been there. GM,Ford and Chrysler had the compact and subcompact cars also but they didn't sell. Liberals like you would like to force people to buy what you perceive to be in the best interest of your liberal leaning. I do not believe that we should bail out the big three unless they eliminate the UAW and corporate fringe benefits for the top executives. The free market system has been damaged by the unions as well as the corporations. The bail should be only a line of credit that can be drawn upon only after they abolish the UAW and restructure the executives pay and benefits. The other requirement is that all parts and equipment to be made in the USA. And all assembly lines outside the US be required to pay an import tax of 15% for all vehicles sold in the USA. I realize that you have a vested interest in energy, but we must utilize all available resources to regrow our economy and keep our military strong. I can just see Hum vees with an electric motor.(ha-ha)
Comment by Ed Ely on 2008-11-20
Well, go ahead and sink the American Auto Industry as we know it. It sounds like a Death Wish and you share it with a lot of folks. I grew up in the Detroit area too. I now live near the Barnett shale and America's largest wind farm projects.
Go ahead and give the auto busineess to lower-cost Japs and Koreans who will then gain total control, like they did in TV's, cameras, consumer electronics and much, much more. Japan Inc. wins--they have successfully invaded America after all.....
I suggest you go to Japan to collect your Social Security and to get some help building a school in your town. And when the Pension Guaranty Trust goes bankrupt next week (pensions the American auto industry pays--to Americans) you can try to catch the dollars falling out of the "helicopters" so maybe you'll have enough to eat.....
Go ahead and consider the consequences of 40 years of subsidized attacks on the American economy. Have it your way......
Comment by Seth on 2008-11-20
Very good article. I wish you had mentioned the union part in this whole crippling scenario. They have gotten away murder winning every concession to the point of paying workers when they are replaced by robotics that were meant to reduce labor. In other words, you can have your autopmation but you are taking away our jobs. Pay us for the loss. Incredible! They don't deserve a penny from us. GM needs to be brought down to their knees.
Comment by Herman Kohlman on 2008-11-20
What are the names of the European vecicles that get 60+ MPG?.
Comment by Tim Borland on 2008-11-20
How can any of you doubt Chris? After all...he had an Epihany after the 9/11 terorist attacks. See: http://www.greenchipstocks.com/editors/chris-nelder He realized that peak oil, climate change, and ecological overshoot were about to change life as we know it, and that mankind was now facing its greatest crisis ever. He had to take up the challenge.
Save us Chris...damn Detroit...save the rest of us...especially those of us in Silicon Valley! Bet those electric cars will work real good here in Minnesota when it's -20 degrees. Wait..we're talking sunny Cali..I forgot.
Comment by Blackhole on 2008-11-20
The article is right on as am commenting just heard the bailout is on hold. At least someone has a little sense.
Comment by richard davidson on 2008-11-20
I agree with most of your comments, however, you should know that "Global Warming" (now called "climate change" by the deluded PC types among us) is a total fraud- orchestrated by extreme leftist/anti-western & especially anti US types. The planet cooled .6 degrees C last year (a whole degree F). This past October was the coldest October in about 90 years. There is climate change of course, but is linked to solar energy output, not C02. 95% of the greenhouse effect is caused by WATER. The remaining 5 is CO2 and other gasses. Refer to various issues of IBD (Investors Business Daily) though you can find plenty of info with a search engine. P.S. The hole in the ozone is caused by the 10,000 to 20,000 tons chlorine released daily by Mt. Erebus which is less than 20 miles upwind from the study site. Dow (who owned the expiring patent on Freon and who owns the patent on the new coolant) paid for the study. Freon is now illegal in the west, though China still uses it. The woman who "proved" that Freon was the culprit was hired by the UN (along with a Chinese) to "prove" the global warming link. A total crock
Comment by banish taylor on 2008-11-20
Global warming is a big CROCK!The Unions, benefits and wages are the problem.When a Big 3 line production worker costs $145,000/yr. versus $80,000/yr. for Honda-Toyota they can never be competitive until the gap is closed. Too bad management gave the unions all those retiree benefits that were never funded! We need the industry to survive, but they should have to go thru chapter 11 with Gov. loan gurantees. But the Democrates don't want this plan because they are owned by the unions!!!!!
Comment by Lou on 2008-11-20
Very glib. However, things are not as simple as you and many other pundits and politicians make it out to be. When you say there is better technology out there, you are NOT talking about CAPACITY. The Tesla is an experimental car that does not have to meet any of the durability standards the "big 3" must meet. It is a sports car of limited capacity and utility. No one knows how long the VERY expensive battery will last and how often it will have to be replaced. The battery for the Prius has a list price of well over $5K, and is warrented for only 8 years. I have an 8 yr old Buick that I expect to drive at least 4 more years. It gets 22 around town and 33-35 on the road - real numbers. It cost less than a prius, and carries more. If the big 3 die, the suppliers will die with them, and so will the supply of spare parts for the millions of vehicles on the road today. What will the capacity cost to replace the output of the big 3 and where will that come from.

I agree that the big 3 are poorly managed. Whereever they get funding, the "funders" need to "guide" them into better practices. The recalcitrant union will also have to be brought into line. They are the most overpaid hourly workers in the world. But suppliers are not, especially if they are not UAW. People are screaming now over the loss of a million or so jobs. What do you think will happen if that number doubles over night?

We will be the only developed country in the world that does not make its own cars. The automotive industry supports a manufacturing base bigger than it uses which provides capacity for other products.

True, a big, fat, unrestricted loan is not the answer, but something must be done to preserve it. The economic consequences of not doing something will be much larger than anything I have read about to date. I guarentee that the consequences have not been thought through.
Comment by Goodgojuice on 2008-11-20
This is the second time I've read one of your articles about the auto industry and I've got to say you have a very squewed view of the way it works, the value it brings to America, and what is in the works in the business. I applaude the niche vehicle manufacturers that are out there in your la-la land trying to make real cars. They haven't the means to meet the American market demand for mass produced vehicles. Talk about them but don't do it with the same breath that you use to discuss cars on the road made by GM, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Volkswagen, Mercedes, etc. Aptera only has 15 employees for pete's sakes man, I could do the same in my garage. By the way, one of their officers is a fellow alumni and former GM employee which leads me to the point that these micro car builders need expertise from the auto companies just to get off the ground, do your research and find out who they are hiring to help them figure out how to get their stuff off the drawing board and onto the streets. Every car manufacturer has electric vehicles headed to market within the next two years. How would you expect to replace the 280 million vehicle on the road now if it weren't for these mass producing manufacturers. Do you want to see the Chinese provide these vehicles? Are they some how more worthy of the opportunity to meet the needs of American private transportation than Americans building cars for Americans? What if I chose to get my advice/news from one of your competitors, how would you feel about that happening?
Comment by Tony Stoeckl on 2008-11-20
OUTSTANDING! Many people will not agree with you at this time, but eventually, reality will force them in their entire development to catch up to a more European style development.
Comment by dorv562 on 2008-11-20
While I have mixed emotions about bailing out the union controlled City and State and auto business - we need to make and sell cars here - much of this article is a crock of sh*t. This scientist/engineer ex-politician understands that bureaucrats see global warming as their opportunity to control business completely. It is fraudulent science - almost all the advocates are on some government payroll. The same for Peak Oil, as we have more energy sources in crude oil, shale oil, natural gas, and coal than anywhere else in the world! Only the bureaucrats and libs in Washington prevent our developing this. Few environmentalists have any scientific background or common sense, but mostly harbor envy over those who do succeed. Nuclear energy right now is the cheapest, safest, sustainable source of energy but enviro wackos and bureaucrats never mention it. It is not in this article, for example, because it solves all our energy problems with no governmental interference in the market. Environmental regulations have crippled this country and productive American manufacturers must go overseas to make products restricted here. Restricted here for bureaucratic reasons only, as American manufacturers know how to build or invent or drill while keeping the environment clean. Big Oil is hated by the volumes of little people in this country who know little about resources. Obama types want to stop drilling, stop producing gasoline for SUVs they cannot afford themselves, yet do not understand that Big Oil would rather produce hydrocarbons for plastics and synthetic fibers than burn gasoline. Without oil we will have much less food available, almost no comfortable clothing, much smaller and uncomfortable houses. Without nuclear power we will not have electric cars. Without understanding the nature of raw materials and creature comfort, we elect second rate lawyers and other non-productive elitists to Congress and wonder why our economy is collapsing.
Comment by JERRY MCGOVERN on 2008-11-20
3 MILLION LOST JOBS!
HOW ABOUT A 3 MILLION MAN MARCH!
CARRYING SHOVELS...
HELLO WASHINGTON!

YOU ONLY THINK THE VIET NAM RIOTS WERE BAD.................
Comment by D on 2008-11-20
A chapter 11 reorganization will allow the renegotiation of union contracts and Health insurance.
Stuff that Japanese car buyers don't have to pay for in their prices. Fewer dollars going to health providers in the form of guaranteed payments from insurance companies may end up reducing the cost to others. Those not in possession of healt coverage. Though the govt. is soon the remedy that. To put it another way.....the ride is over.
Be you car builder, health care provider, government worker, educator, pensioner.
Take the bus to the breadline. Good night and good luck.
Comment by Greg Blencoe on 2008-11-20
Chris,

Why do you have a such a problem with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles if the hydrogen is produced from solar and wind power? It sounds like what you really want is to restrict people's freedom of mobility.

If you really care about dealing with peak oil, you wouldn't be trying to spread misinformation about hydrogen fuel cell vehicles which you have called a "hoax." If that is true, why are Toyota, Honda (which has COMPLETELY rejected plug-in battery technology), Hyundai, and others aggressively pursuing them?

Did you even know that NINE CAR COMPANIES participated in the cross-country 2008 Hydrogen Road Tour this past August which was sponsored by the Department of Energy and Department of Transportation?

http://hydrogenroadtour08.dot.gov/

And if you want to learn the facts about what Toyota and Honda (the REAL experts) have been saying about plug-in battery vehicles, you should read the following article which is titled the "Top 25 quotes from Toyota and Honda executives criticizing plug-in battery technology":

Greg Blencoe
Chief Executive Officer
Hydrogen Discoveries, Inc.
Comment by dorv562 on 2008-11-20
While I have mixed emotions about bailing out the union controlled City and State and auto business - we need to make and sell cars here - much of this article is a crock of sh*t. This scientist/engineer ex-politician understands that bureaucrats see global warming as their opportunity to control business completely. It is fraudulent science - almost all the advocates are on some government payroll. The same for Peak Oil, as we have more energy sources in crude oil, shale oil, natural gas, and coal than anywhere else in the world! Only the bureaucrats and libs in Washington prevent our developing this. Few environmentalists have any scientific background or common sense, but mostly harbor envy over those who do succeed. Nuclear energy right now is the cheapest, safest, sustainable source of energy but enviro wackos and bureaucrats never mention it. It is not in this article, for example, because it solves all our energy problems with no governmental interference in the market. Environmental regulations have crippled this country and productive American manufacturers must go overseas to make products restricted here. Restricted here for bureaucratic reasons only, as American manufacturers know how to build or invent or drill while keeping the environment clean. Big Oil is hated by the volumes of little people in this country who know little about resources. Obama types want to stop drilling, stop producing gasoline for SUVs they cannot afford themselves, yet do not understand that Big Oil would rather produce hydrocarbons for plastics and synthetic fibers than burn gasoline. Without oil we will have much less food available, almost no comfortable clothing, much smaller and uncomfortable houses. Without nuclear power we will not have electric cars. Without understanding the nature of raw materials and creature comfort, we elect second rate lawyers and other non-productive elitists to Congress and wonder why our economy is collapsing.
Comment by Joe M on 2008-11-20
On your article about GM which has some good points and bad points, but with your bias I will not be renewing my subscription.
Comment by JERRY MCGOVERN on 2008-11-20
3 MILLION LOST JOBS!
HOW ABOUT A 3 MILLION MAN MARCH!
CARRYING SHOVELS...
HELLO WASHINGTON!

YOU ONLY THINK THE VIET NAM RIOTS WERE BAD.................
Comment by Virginia Avery on 2008-11-20
Well-done! Excellent article.
Comment by Dennis on 2008-11-20
Global warming caused by man is a crock of sh*t. Al Gore has cost this country a hell of a lot more than the big 3's UAW who are grossly over paid.
Comment by Brett Pavlov on 2008-11-20
Excellent! Outstanding! "Nuff said."
Comment by David Surplus on 2008-11-20
Living in Northern Ireland I'm surprised that auto industry companies aren't focussing more on the transformation that took place in the imediate aftermath of Pearl Harbour in 1941. Henri ford and many other companies retooled, in only a few months in some cases, to make the bombers and tanks to defeat Germany and Japan. This was only possible because the Government allowed the companies concerned to make money from the venture. The credit crunch has been the "Pearl Harbour", climate change and peak oil are the enemy, and energy efficiency, renewable energy and electric vehicles are the weapons. There is a huge wound up environmental entrpreneurial spring waiting in the wings to get their hands on the resources that have been so badly managed by the big 3. Obama looks like the man to unlock all this potential so come on America - "when the going gets tough, the tough get going"
Comment by John Longworth on 2008-11-20
Has anybody looked at the electrical grid. We have black outs when we turn on AC units in the summer. How are we going to plug in cars?
Comment by Kevin Brown on 2008-11-20

Do you not care about american interests? American security? American Jobs? Allowing GM to go into bankruptcy is absurd. How much steel, glass, oil, rubber, tooling, machinery, fabric,electronics,softwaredoes GM buy and use. How many other businesses are dependant in part by the auto industry?
Why do other countries,Korea, Japan, China protect their own industry?, while he help ours go under. Other countries tax imported automobiles and motorcycles. LETS ALLOW GM, FORD, AND CHRYSLER TO GO BANKRUPT, THEN WE CAN ALL DRIVE TOYOTAS, HYUNDIAS AND KIA? Great for Americans.
Where has our sense of Nationalism and self pride gone senator.
How can we compete on a fair trade when corporate taxes are 30%, EPA regs, Unions, OSHA, and CAFE requirements have to be met. US provides highest paying jobs, best benefits to live an American Lifestyle. Should we live like Koreans?
in a 700 sqft apt in Seoul with mediocre wages? No, we chose to have a better life, thus we need to protect it, not prostilize it into bankruptcy.
SOLUTION:
3% import tax on 6 million imported cars @ $25,000 each =$4.5 billion to support domestic supply * 10 years = $ 45 B illion
PROTECT OUR INTERESTS
Kevin Brown
Process Engineer- Medical Industry
260-750-4205
Comment by Jack on 2008-11-20
My car is a Honda Odyssey, built in Alabama, using 75% "domestic" parts. My neighbor, a Ford retiree, owns a Ford Fusion built in Ford's huge Hermosillo plant, using 35% "domestic " parts. Which car is more "American?"
Comment by Tom Mahoney on 2008-11-20
To say "AMEN" to the big three auto manufacturors and there Combustion engines is an understatement!
Mr. John Tolers comment on CO2 emissions I believe is correct. Nature is the cause and effect of the Global or Green house warming, which has major implications on all of us. Since the 1970's- Clean Air and Water act from the Nixon Administration, all manufacturors have cleaned up there acts, except for the Automotive industries. Too many cars and trucks, and roads to no-where, are still detramental to all our healths and the sooner the better will not be fast enough in my oppinion!
Comment by robert on 2008-11-20
Great stuff.

If the banks are able to receive bail out money so should the big three.
I know Toyota was to shut down for two days, thats not a plan just a knee jerk reaction.
The big three should consider a three or four day work week.
Thats if the Unions let them.

As for knowing what coming, Im sure they did. However its lke the movie with Kevin Costner Field of dreams, if you build it they will come. In this case if you build it they will buy.



Comment by Paul on 2008-11-20
I'm on your side on this one, but you're missing some important incongruities here. The reason Detroit can't sell their successful high mileage European models in the U.S. is our ridiculous crash standards imposed on them by Congress.

You stay busy telling us about how great more government energy mandates would be. Well, they're a leading cause of our economic demise in the first place. (Not to mention similar arcane requirements on other business sectors.)

The other nite on CNBC one of their commentators said Washington was populated by two groups, WOLVES AND FOOLS. Until we deal with that, we'll just be whistling up an abandoned smoke stack.

You're smart enough to know this, so you need to expose it to the public while there's still time left (instead of just angling to make a buck yourself off of these idiots' inanities).


Comment by R. Keyes on 2008-11-20
I don't see the difference in bailing out the Financial Companies with their big bonuses, etc. and helping the auto industry. Are you willing to have these jobs also go overseas? What about the millions of people who will be out of work when the Big Three go under? A heck of a lot more people do work related to the Big Three than are in the Financial Companies. And while the Big Three have made mistakes (you point them out very accurately), why are we giving money to people who swindled the American Public on purpose with lies and deceit so they could make millions/billions? Sorry, I don't understand.
Comment by w. kearce on 2008-11-20
How much tax revenue has the big 3 sent Washington and how much has the workers from that auto industry sent Washington? You seem to disregard Washington as being the problem. While D.C. allows open and free markets to communist and socialist countries those same "trade-partners" limit trade and infringe on our technology and are oftentimes given our technology. Get D.C. to level the field and the big 3 will dominate. We do not need to allow D.C. to bring our standard of living down to levels of other countries,they need to come up to our standard of living.
Comment by Doug on 2008-11-20
Eh, about half right. Lots of rumors and myths surround car companies working "to ruin the future of transportation, stifle innovation, bury patents, and stop any progress on controlling emissions." But a lot of that is untrue, just like lumber companies "stripping" the land of trees.

BUT MOSTLY, I take issue with your quick reference to Lutz's comment about the great hoax known as global warming. He was right on! It IS a crock. Much more scientific disputes it than even comes close to supporting it. You might want to do a little research on that before you spout anymore about it. (Just don't go to the lib sites if you want the truth.)
Comment by ronald paling on 2008-11-20
Excellant article,send it to all the so called political representatives,that ahem represent us the commen folk?the dinosaur's had their day the 3 have had there's put them in the history book's that is where they belong,R. N. Paling
Comment by ANGEL BAKOS on 2008-11-20
If ever there has been a more ignorant commentary about the future of the auto industry - I have not read it.
You have discounted the role of our government in the demise of the strength of this industry. From the end of WWII, we have allowed the Japanese to freely discriminate against our trade with them.
The Japanese government were clever to protect their industry. We on the other hand, hide behind words such as protectionist, free Trade, and globel marketing to demonstrate our 'sophisticated' openess toward all nations to the
our own defeat.
Our legialature and President Bush all watch their own hides without EVER being concerned for the public good. Once elected - they do whatever they want - constituents and America - be dammed!
The egregious errors made have undermined our economy. How is it that suddenly every legislator knows more about what mades a good business model or how to run any entrepreneurial endeavor? Theyb can't even balance a budget; they have no idea how to cooperate as a body for the higher good of the people of this nation.
Our government is not governing at all they dictate and decide who is worthy of their grandiosity.
As for our President - from the very beginning of his administration, it was clear that he marches to the orders of another power Cheney is there to keep him in line and to keep him focused on the 'grand Plan'.
We have allowed money to leave this country for all kinds of charitable and ddemocratic purposes. The Iraquis - according to Cheney, had plenty of money to pay for the restructuring of their country. Now we'll be there for 3 moroe years and where will that money come from?
I am bothered by the fact that Saudi Arabia Bush's buddies - Prince Banda, and the group of financiers who purchased Harken Oil,profited nicely by the oil shipped to Iraq and handled by the HALIBURTON CORPORATION -
and were compensated BY EXCESSIVE FEES.
We seemed to find the funds for hiring Blackwater mercenaries;
send money to Africa for AIDS;]
and now serve wine at $500 a bottle. Outrageous.
Many of us are also aware the funds for Africa were nothing more than a bribe to secure that country's approval to begin constructing defense operations in southern Africa.
And to think that I - who is now losing my homne, lost my job last Spring, was a $1000 donor
to the Bush campaign. I had the ideal of someone who cared about the public good. This period as President was an adventure for him - he has no ideals.
How dare any of you in the media presume to know who is right. You are prostituting your own ideals to stay alive.
No matter the corruption, ignorance or mistakes in the auto industry,instead of destroying them they need to be corrected or eliminated. Where will this country be without a manufacturing sector? Who was there for this country when we went to war
And don't think I know little about the industry. My father and mother, all my uncles, my grandmother, husband and son have been part of the GM family. And I ]
have been as well. I know something about support, sacrifice and endurance of corporate 'ways'.
There is an old saying..."Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." The President, the legislalture and the media are enjoying all of this just too much to be sincere.
Will you unemployment funds for all the jobs that will be destroyed? What isd it going to be like when citizens must submit their taxes in all the Aprils to come? What will our government now have to "give away"?
What we will have is a revolution in this country. It is on the verge right now and the elected, the media and others will
be in for a surprise. This country is sitting on a powder keg.
Women like myself worked to build a country. We are not
recognized for the vast contributionto the infra- structure of this nation. Do we receive social security credits for the years we spent raising children,developing
programs that profitted the greater community?And what do you even know of this?
IF THIS INDUSTRY IS DESTROYED
WE WILL LEARN JUST WHAT DESPERATION LOOKS LIKE.

NOW - GO DO THE RIGHT THING!

RESPECTFULLY,
ANGEL A. BAKOS
Comment by Jack and Joanne Gray on 2008-11-20
GM is not George Bush, Get off your political high horse and look at the facts. Gm is asking for a LOAN that will insure that millions do not suffer needless
economic loss.
Comment by Jon Prato on 2008-11-20
If we the people are to help the Auto Industry it must be under Chapter 11. The problem with the Big three find themselves has very little to do with green technology. They must address major factors that effect the business: Union/labor cost, Upper Management effectivness and foreign
trade/competition. To address these problems it will take the unions, auto companies and congress to make hard decisions that will deliver clear results for any money that they may receive from we the people. If this must be done it can be only one time. We cannot rush to give money without a plan for success.
Comment by Mike Aimone on 2008-11-20
After reading some of the comments on your article, it became evident that you are appropriately supported by the John Tolers of the world (please read his 2008-11-19 comment). Most of us know that the auto industry has made mistakes while surviving over 100 years, and that the unions have made it difficult to compete with foreign competitors not encumbered with our legacy debt. But, instead of smugly taking your usual easy shots and condemning the U.S. auto industry, how about considering its importance. Our GDP is now over 70% consumption -- we're losing the ability to manufacture exportable goods and services, but habitually spend more (on credit). Too many non-productive talking heads offer the advice to let our troubled industries fold, allowing new healthy ones to take their place. Our country is now near the bottom of the pile as far as technical education, the one thing that will enable new products and industries to be created. These new industries will just as likely come from a better equipped foreign country. The answer isn't your suggestion to "cut down the redwoods" and let the invasive species take root -- we had better fight to keep and improve at least some of our industrial capability that we now have. Please continue to strive to make your newsletter something more than a smug soap box full of advice in hindsight.
Comment by L. Keith on 2008-11-21
Excellent Article - right on!
This should be sent to every Congressman and Senator to be enacted NOW!
Thank You
Comment by Kevin Hester on 2008-11-21
Finally the drugs( both real and philosophical) are wearing off and reality dawns. We need to disregard special interest groups and be empirical in our planning. Stop voting/lobbying for your selfinterest and think about your grandchildren. The future can only be mass transport, as no individual mode of transport is sustainable. Until the general populace wakes up, we are doomed to a cylical vortex spiraling down to anarchy. Be part of the solution not the problem.New Zealand Speak.
Comment by Matt Snyder on 2008-11-22
There is no excuse for propping up three enormous companies who through their incompetent, quick-buck, short-term decision making that has left such enormous companies saddled with ridiculously inflated debts to non-productive retired employees who should have saved some of their over inflated wages for their retirement years. Instead, the Unions have been allowed to heap on more and more "deferred costs" thinking the party would never end.

I personally am dead broke. Not even due to any feeble-minded decisions but, a protracted illness took everything. Home, savings, 401k, literally everything in 2007. Where is MY hand-out? Where is the personal responsibility of the car company execs? No jail, no union busting should = no bail-out. Business as usual doesn't fly anymore. It IS OK for all 3 to perish. They will be replaced by someone who can do it better and without the baggage of greedy retirees. If I'll never be able to retire, why should I pay one red cent for someone else to?

Right or wrong, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Comment by Linda T Fukuchi on 2008-11-22

Great article ! This should be mandatory reading for everyonr in Washington !

This got me wondering - think the Big Three will merge into the Big One ?

L.F.
Comment by Jim Overton on 2008-11-24
Global warming is a crock just as the guy said. It is Al Gore'S (You know the guy who invented the internet and algorerythums)revenge for losing the election.
Comment by Mike Carlson on 2008-11-24
your all idiots. we need the bailout
Comment by Michael Maskulinski on 2008-12-01
The writer of this article is ignorant and unaware of the real problem facing the Big 3. Toyota does not make a profit from the Prius. It can only sell them at lower cost because of vehicles like the Camry doing so well. The real problem is the benefits and pensions being paid to these workers. The Union has destroyed these companies pure and simple.
Comment by Lee on 2008-12-14
Simple thoughts from a simple mind. No mention that every other country in the world subsidizes their auto industries. No mention that the southern states poured over $3 billion into foreign carmakers. No mention that oil went from $1.50 to $4.50 to $1.50. Or nobody can get credit. Or that Toyota sales are off 40%. Or that real wages between UAW and non union shops are within $3/hour. Or that foreign lobbyists pay our senators thousands to work against the Big 3. Senator Shelby, I have a question for you. How can you expect the taxpayers to bail out your cities after a hurricane? Didn't you know it was coming? How can we know you won't be back for MORE money to rebuild your cities? Let them fail, and let people starve, and let capitalism take it's course like you suggest Detroit can do.