Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (NEVs)

Calling Out Green Fearmongering

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Wednesday, December 16th, 2009

John Stossel has become the latest fearmonger at Fox News.

His journalistic debut there focused on "Free Golf Carts." But in the face of Fox News' tradition of being "Fair and Balanced," the vehicles in question actually turn out to be neither free nor golf carts.

Let's poke John's report to see what hackneyed tactics he's using to bash the government and progressive energy ideas that would actually help most of his ill-informed viewers.

Stossel Trades Lies for Ratings

Stossel is now the newest member of the Fox News team, having left ABC after a long run with 20/20. Apparently, viewers of Fox more readily accept steadfast resistance to progress passed off as news.

At any rate, his big inaugural piece at the network focused on government (he refers to them as "venal cretins" — but that's a news term, right?) tax credits for neighborhood electric vehicles (NEVs).

Of course, it wasn't an in-depth, detailed report on the pros and cons of offering people incentives to buy electric vehicles. Instead, his report was more a personal tea party against "free golf carts."

Here's the first line of Stossel's take on the matter: "After money from the "stimulus" bill was spent on destroying perfectly good cars and building an Airport for Nobody, the WSJ reports that government has found an even more ridiculous way to spend your money: free golf carts."

Do you see what he does there? Quotations around the word "stimulus" serve to dismiss the effort that many economists now say helped pull us out of the Great Recession.

And regarding his line about "destroying perfectly good cars:" those cars weren't "perfectly good," were they?

They had been traded in for more efficient models, and their destruction ensured the tax credit wasn't for naught. Oh yeah, and the automakers hailed that idea as great for business.

Then there's the "more ridiculous way to spend your money" line.

Where were these headlines when the Minerals Management Service was doling out billion-dollar land leases to oil companies that had furnished them with cocaine and sex under the Bush administration?

That's a ridiculous way to spend money, not offering tax breaks for the adoption of clean vehicles.

But this is the stuff that's broadcast as news every single day.

All Headline, No Substance

Of course, Stossel's piece was all for shock value. He was even quoted as saying, "It's my first show on Fox Business, and I had to go big."

You don't "go big" when you're a journalist. You report the news.

But we are talking about the same news organization that ran a 12-page pictorial last week featuring "Celebrities Who Go Bra-Free."

(By the way, my colleague Chris Nelder did a good job explaining why such large herds of people chew this cud every single day in last Friday's Energy & Capital.)

What I'm getting at here is that Stossel's diatribe was all about the headline, so some Joe Shmoe could tell a few buddies about big gummit's latest crazy idea. Pure propaganda in the form of a headline.

All Stossel need do is close the report with some subjective vitriol about how stupid this idea is and the herd is hooked. He went with a generic Foxism, saying the "government shouldn't be in the business of taking money and giving it back. That just gives the venal cretins more power over our lives."

He completely disregards any benefits the NEVs and the associated tax breaks have to offer.

Let's see what happens when a journalist with more than a speck of integrity reports on the same story...

The Un-Fox Version of NEVs

I remember reading an article in Wired back in September that showed the not-so-scary side of NEVs. Listen to how terrible this sounds:

It's a brutally hot morning here at the Villages, one of the biggest retirement communities on the planet. But the saunalike central Florida weather doesn't slow down the 77,000 seniors who call this place home.

On the nine softball fields around the development, smack-talking eightysomethings try to leg out a base hit. Graceful swimmers slice through the water in glittering pools. Near the Bait Shop bar in one of the immaculate town squares, line dancers shimmy in unison.

Villagers play hard. And they drive... well, they drive kinda slow. Because the ride of choice at the Villages isn't a Lincoln or a Cadillac.

You guessed it... it's a neighborhood electric vehicle. And the seniors in the community love them.

Just in this one community — there are many more in Florida and elsewhere — there are 87 miles of trails that can only be traveled in an NEV. The trails even take residents right to the doorstep of major chains like Target, Staples, Starbucks, and Wal-Mart.

The entire community is centered around the NEVs. And they help not only to gives hundreds of thousands of seniors a happy and active retirement, but also to perpetuate the American dichotomy of consumerism and community.

It's no wonder the use of NEVs — and the amount of communities centered around them — are on the rise.

Oh, and by the way, Wired reports that "The US government's recent stimulus package offers NEV buyers a $2,500 tax credit (a third to half the cost of the vehicle)."

Stossel's "Free Golf Carts" are based on dealership incentive schemes.

Wired takes a different approach to the conclusion than Stossel's "venal cretins" route:

The Villages embodies what environmentalists have been waiting decades for - a glossy future powered by electric vehicles.

But the lesson of the Villages isn't just about the vehicles we're driving-it's about where we're driving them. The future of transportation should be focused on the quick jaunts that make up most of our day-to-day driving.

The Villages is for people who've lived long enough to know that what they want now is a warm breeze in a quiet, open ride-going fast enough to hit both the golf course and the Walmart in the same afternoon but slow enough to take in the scenery along the way.

As my octogenarian opponent deftly whacks the pickleball past my reach, I look up to catch a glimpse of the future on the horizon. It's a gray-haired guy with a backward cap, cruising in his cart past a brand-new community center. A golden retriever stands on the passenger seat, tail wagging, and an American flag is displayed proudly right where the gas tank should be.

You can decide for yourself by reading Stossel's article here and the Wired piece here.

But it shouldn't be hard to conclude that a tax break for buying a vehicle with no emissions, one that is mostly used by seniors, and one that helps create a sense of community while fostering American consumerism isn't a bad idea.

The green future is here. You can, like Stossel, whine and stomp your feet. Or you can embrace it, leverage it to save money on your utility and transportation bills, encourage it to create a prosperous and energy-secure America, and perhaps maybe even make a little profit for yourself.

Doing the latter is the opposite of venal. It's doing the right things for the right reasons.

Call it like you see it,

Nick Hodge

Nick

P.S. I know not all of you will agree my view of this situation, but I just wanted to point out the absurdity of Stossel's journalistic approach, namely the blatant polarization of cleantech issues for no other reason than to solidify the base of Fox viewers. But if you do agree, I hope you'll pass this along to friends and colleagues that might also find it informative. I look forward to your comments.

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Comments:

Comment by Eric Weber on 2009-12-16
So let me guess you are in the Al Gore camp and believe that anyone that doesn't buy into his flawed analysis of so called "Global Warming" is a denier. If the earth is in a warming cycle why is it that the temperatures are actually decreasing over the past decade? Are you going to revert to name calling as well and call me a "Denier" With the kind of information/disinformation flowing around it is next to impossible to know who to believe.
Comment by Shane Jenkins on 2009-12-16
While John Stossel's report definitely has a right wing spin, this article has an equally repulsive left wing spin. Garbage.
Comment by Sheran Strickland on 2009-12-16
While I do not agree with Mr. Stossel's take on the NEV's, I certainly don't agree with your name calling and put-downs of the the millions of people who watch Fox News. Most of us really do think for ourselves and we appreciate a news organization who respects that fact. Your take seems to be that those who do not automatically agree with the liberal side of everything are just ignorant and go along with the "herd". You have a lot of growing up to do, my friend.
Comment by Norman Bailey on 2009-12-16
Nick,

No open-minded American (liberal, conservative or liberatarian)disagrees with clean technology. What we don't agree with is the federal government subsidizing that policy, anymore than we agree with them subsidizing oil companies. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm a bit tired of people pointing to bad behavior by others in the past to justify bad behavior that they happen to agree with. Our government is going further into debt adopting policies and supporting things that in many cases aren't even constitutional. We're going broke and need to tighten our belts or we will all pay the price.
Comment by Norman Bailey on 2009-12-16
Nick,

No open-minded American (liberal, conservative or liberatarian)disagrees with clean technology. What we don't agree with is the federal government subsidizing that policy, anymore than we agree with them subsidizing oil companies. Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm a bit tired of people pointing to bad behavior by others in the past to justify bad behavior that they happen to agree with. Our government is going further into debt adopting policies and supporting things that in many cases aren't even constitutional. We're going broke and need to tighten our belts or we will all pay the price.
Comment by Matthew Rensen on 2009-12-16
It is not the place of the US Government to buy cars or subsidize the purchase for other people using our money. I did not nor did any one else pay taxes for that purpose. This was a blatant hijack of our tax dollars.

Comment by Jack Myers on 2009-12-16
You are an idiot. I don't want the government involved in the auto business or any other business. If you look in depth at what really happened, you will find that many of the clunkers were stripped for parts or sold overseas and that vehicle sales plummeted once the program stopped. Do not be redistributing my money.
Comment by John on 2009-12-16
I dont believe he (Stossel)is a newsman, nor are you. I am so tired of every one with a pulpit dissing some one elses views. Give us a break and let us decide what is news and what is entertainment. You do well with investment information . Stick to that.
Comment by ed schulz on 2009-12-16
As China builds 150 coal fired electric generating plants per week, you want us to switch to electric carts that have a ZERO safety record which are using electric which is 50% efficient and since 90% of our electric is CO2 fired, it is a loosing proposition with tons of defects. Typical liberal bullshit.
Comment by Charles Giannotti on 2009-12-16
I have no problem with seniors riding in electric vehicles but I am frankly tired of subsidizing 'good behavior'. Silly me, I already drove an American car that was fuel efficient so I didn't qualify for a government check. And silly me, I already added insulation, sealed the air leaks, insulated pipes, bought an energy saving furnace, replaced my light bulbs, put plastic on my windows, open the double pane windows in the summer etc... so I wont qualify for the upcoming Cash for Caulkers handout. Anyone who lives in a temperate climate and has not already made their home more energy efficient should be fined and not rewarded. As for the kickback for an electric vehicle, I don't need one as I get around on foot, so can someone just me the cash?
Comment by ham on 2009-12-16
Stossel never claimed to be a reporter, JUST LIKE THOSE on 60 minutes.

the write of this article really
thinks Sen Kennedy, Obama, Peolosi
are smart people.
Comment by Ryan on 2009-12-16
I am not a fan of Mr. Stossel's views (in general), nor do I approve of his opinion-laden report; however, I must also levy a critique of the present article by Mr. Hodge.

A single point of clarity on which Mr. Stossel is correct pertains to the “stimulus.” Government does not stimulate anything.

If we assume that all are created equal and free, then anything that limits freedom is inherently evil. If the government seeks to take tax or bond dollars, and then allocate those funds to “stimulate” the economy, the government does so necessarily without allowing free markets decide how to use those funds (a tax cut would have been better).

After all, freedom includes free spending by the consumers/voters.
Comment by jeff on 2009-12-16
So I guess you prefer the one sided coverage that MSNBC offers.
There is a reason why Fox has more viewers than all the other cable networks combined. Unlike the others, they do offer both sides.
Stossel is right to question Robin Hood economics. He is not complaining about electric vehicles.
Comment by C. Beck on 2009-12-16
Energy efficient electric carts? Where do they get their electricity when they have to recharge?
Are these carts subsidized? Whose money do you think they are using? Based on your view of what he said, I can't really trust your your recommendations on anything more important than an ice cream flavor. Keep up the good work. CFB
Comment by Ryan on 2009-12-16
I am not a fan of Mr. Stossel's views (in general), nor do I approve of his opinion-laden report; however, I must also levy a critique of the present article by Mr. Hodge.

A single point of clarity on which Mr. Stossel is correct pertains to the “stimulus.” Government does not stimulate anything.

If we assume that all are created equal and free, then anything that limits freedom is inherently evil. If the government seeks to take tax or bond dollars, and then allocate those funds to “stimulate” the economy, the government does so necessarily without allowing free markets decide how to use those funds (a tax cut would have been better).

After all, freedom includes free spending by the consumers/voters.
Comment by Bernard on 2009-12-16
Dear Nick,
This is nothing compared to the whoppers,they make up in the NYTimes.
Comment by Charles Giannotti on 2009-12-16
I have no problem with seniors riding in electric vehicles but I am frankly tired of subsidizing 'good behavior'. Silly me, I already drove an American car that was fuel efficient so I didn't qualify for a government check. And silly me, I already added insulation, sealed the air leaks, insulated pipes, bought an energy saving furnace, replaced my light bulbs, put plastic on my windows, open the double pane windows in the summer etc... so I wont qualify for the upcoming Cash for Caulkers handout. Anyone who lives in a temperate climate and has not already made their home more energy efficient should be fined and not rewarded. As for the kickback for an electric vehicle, I don't need one as I get around on foot, so can someone just me the cash?
Comment by jeff on 2009-12-16
i agree with all the comments made thus far- it is NOT the governments job to hand out money -- all these so called stimulus packages will prove to me no good in the long run--if not in the short run also - government---stick to what you were made for--namely provide coinage and protect our land!
Comment by jeff on 2009-12-16
i agree with all the comments made thus far- it is NOT the governments job to hand out money -- all these so called stimulus packages will prove to me no good in the long run--if not in the short run also - government---stick to what you were made for--namely provide coinage and protect our land!
Comment by Bob on 2009-12-16
Thank "GOD"(hope I did'nt offend anyone) for "Fox News"
Comment by Paul Samuel on 2009-12-16
Golf carts are advertised in Destin, Florida with tax credits up to $5335.60. The net cost of a $7050 cart is $1714 after the tax credit. I live in a golf community and we use carts on and off the golf courses. The seniors here have plenty of money to buy carts and it is crazy to give them a tax credit for something they have bought in the past and will continue to buy in the future. All tax credits and subsidies are totally unfair and totally unnecessary. The Green adgenda is seriously flawed and will help destroy or at least retard the ecomonic recovery. I agree with the comments of Sheran, however I think Stossel is on the mark.
Comment by Richard on 2009-12-16
Respectfully, I think you missed the point about Government Spending. The Government earns no money, it only takes money. These type of programs are only a redistribution of wealth by 'bumocrats' and bumocans' of a bankrupt country - look at borrowing $98 billion a week for 2010 just to cover the debt and deficit spending. Government spending can't be the foundation for a recovery nor sustain one.
Comment by George Penman on 2009-12-16
PIPA polls determined that Fox listeners have more misconceptions than any other network.

Rupert Murdoch owns a worldwide media empire of newspapers, radio, satellite, and television channels including Fox. He employs many of the most strident ’personalities’ delivering misinformation.

Murdoch admitted that he wanted war with Iraq, and Fox cheerled the invasion of Iraq...and Iran. The financial sector spun out of control, industry moved offshore, bankruptcies soared, but Fox opposes remedies. Health care in the US is twice as expensive as anywhere else, offers little choice, produces outcomes slightly better than Cuba's, leaves many without service, and is a major cause of bankruptcy, but Fox opposes change. Climate decline is a major threat to the next generations, but Fox denies the problem. Despite declining wages, longer working hours, less time off, and shrinking benefits, Fox, facilitating the Walmartization of America, opposes unions. It supports the regressive corporate (Republican) agenda that rewards the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

It is NOT ‘conservative’.

Bill O'Reilly has been credited with the assassination of an abortion doctor. Arguably, other domestic violence can be attributed to talk radio.

Even if you are at top income levels, Fox is not in your interest.

Comment by thg on 2009-12-16
Do you really think that while you and I slave away to save for retirement we should subsidise someone else who failed to do so? If they want a Golf Cart or any other kind of NEV I am sure that they could come up with a way to earn the money or save teh money to buy one.

Why should any taxes be spent to support that?

No it does not matter that they are emission free (they are not). They nust be charged which requires the electrical power production infrastructure to charge them which requires massive consumption of fossil fuel in order to produce teh electricity. Those vehicles burn oil just like any other. But they burn while they are sitting still and plugged in which is likely most of the time. Mine only burns hydrocarbons when it moves.

Save the tax money and tell them to ride a bicycle so we can improve the health of those who will be on the Healthcare take before that gets out of hand.

All Journalism is Biased and Political IS Incorrect.
Comment by Steve Kasal on 2009-12-16
There is no free lunch or NEVs someone has to pay for them. Why should we tax or borrow to pay for NEVs for people that more than likely afford to buy themselves. I have never met anyone that is against alternate (green)energy including Stossel. If green energy was really viable it would not require government subsidies.
Comment by C. E. COOPER on 2009-12-16
REFERENCE JOHN STOSSEL'S REPORT. IN OKLAHOMA YOU CAN PURCHASE THE SO CALLED NEV,S FOR 69 DOLLARS AFTER BOTH A FEDERAL AND STATE TAX REBATE. WHAT A WASTE!
Comment by N Sippel on 2009-12-16
Nick:

Bravo!

It's about time that someone acknowledges that environmentally friendly vehicles may have to be subsidized, just as those companies that have pillaged & raped the environment have been subsidized by "free market" government. Agreed, two wrongs don't make a right. But, if this is what it takes to get people out of their monster SUVs, so be it.

As for Stossel & Farce News. He's just an actor like the rest of that crew. Never liked him or his manner of "reporting."

Keep up the good work, Nick.
Comment by Steve Kasal on 2009-12-16
There is no free lunch or NEVs someone has to pay for them. Why should we tax or borrow to pay for NEVs for people that more than likely afford to buy themselves. I have never met anyone that is against alternate (green)energy including Stossel. If green energy was really viable it would not require government subsidies.
Comment by Tim on 2009-12-16
That's right....just keep drinking the Kool-aid.
Comment by MIchael Fox on 2009-12-16
As a person who works and supported my family from fossel fuel both side of this battle are wrong!

The real story is the Government did support Big Oil and the fossel fuel industry and did not support Green Energy in an equal way! That would give us all "choices" since we all pay those tax dollars to the Government and then we the people would be in power to make "choices" based upon our views. The tax payers views! No one cares about that! Good reporting would be about that, but again, we the people like the fight arguements and battles and we like even more butting into people private lives and seeing how many times they cheated on there wives and who they cheated with. Of couse not all of us are treated the same there either! If it was not Tiger Woods, the front page of every paper would not be filled with stories of say if I cheated on my wife with 15 (is that number correct as I write this) other women. If no once watched FOX News they would not be number one, be able to charge inflated ads fees and we all would be watching somone else. We really need Fair & Balanced news reporting, but of couse Fair & Balnced is based upon PROFITS!! Always has been always will be!! That is the real story! Stossel like all the others before him 60-minutes, 20/20 etc. etc. hooked with the truth in reporting and then sold out for the bucks. When will we demand more!!
Comment by Christopher L. Headrick on 2009-12-16
Nick, Fox has done and admirable job of presenting both sides of the issues... at least they are offering the Criminals in both parties an opportunity to discuss the financial rape of our country in which both parties so readily participate. The facts have nothing to do with any article published anywhere today! Explore the lost concept of journalism...

Chris
Comment by Brian on 2009-12-16
Nick,
I doubt that John Stossel is really against the use of NEVs, but he is against the government giving tax credits for their purchase, as am I. The government should get the heck out of our business; let citizens buy homes, cars, etc. on their own, and big government should not tax everything in sight and then dole out tax credits to groups it deems worthy. The current structure is a controlling mechanism. I want them to work for us, not us for them.
Brian
Comment by John Harkins on 2009-12-16


If you read the WSJ article, this is another waste of taxpayer money. If I remember correctly, it wound up costing over $20,000 for every clunker that was taken off the road. A majority were pick ups that wound up with less than 19mpg.
There was a spike in auto sales that resulted in a downturn after the reate period ended.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473724099542430.html
Comment by Chad Collins on 2009-12-16
This is the worst article I have ever read from Energy and Capital. Completely irrelevant to investing more of a bashing a person with a different idea in a completely non professional way. I am not against renewable energy but don't bite the hand that has fed America for over one hundred and fifty years. Get out of politics; you have good investing insight with other topics stay with what you have done in the past.
Comment by jason brumfield on 2009-12-16
Looks like another sore ABC, so called reporter, mad and sour over Stossle leaving a sinking ship, want to report the false articles done at ABC, thats' what he needs to be reproting on , the lies of Al Gore and the So called Scientist, who falsly reproted the Global warming trends, when the temperture has gone down, in the last 10 to 20 yrs, why not reprot the truth about the lies they emailed to each other.
Comment by Wally Renneberg on 2009-12-16
Sad! Pot calling the kettle black!
Comment by Robert on 2009-12-16
The article suffers from the same shortcomings that it is criticizing. If you think "Cash for Clunkers" was an efficient use of taxpayer dollars then you must be delusional.
Comment by Greg Pinelli on 2009-12-16
I found a great deal more integrity in Stossels report than I found in this article! It cost the governement approximately $40K per traded in vehicle to administer and pay for this program..a welfare program! The idea that Stossels report has a right wing spin is really taking a leap off the rock of logic....
Comment by Jim Stover on 2009-12-16
Well maybe exaggerates, a form of humor. Wikipedia defines an NEV as a low speed battery electric vehicle which operates by plugging into a standard outlet at home.

My ClubCar meets that definition.
Comment by Brian on 2009-12-16
Nick,
I doubt that John Stossel is really against the use of NEVs, but he is against the government giving tax credits for their purchase, as am I. The government should get the heck out of our business; let citizens buy homes, cars, etc. on their own, and big government should not tax everything in sight and then dole out tax credits to groups it deems worthy. The current structure is a controlling mechanism. I want them to work for us, not us for them.
Brian
Comment by Bob C on 2009-12-16
Nick,
Please oblige me as I share with you an insight into my psyche. When the pastor at the church I used to attend started spewing political rhetoric, my family and I found another church. When Bruce Springsteen spent too much time at his concert telling me about all the evils of the administration at that time than playing music, I felt cheated and vowed never to spend my money with him again. You may say that I am a right wing ideologue, but I'd have to disagree. I am a pragmatic person and will say without reservation that after many years of subscribing to and faithfully reading Energy & Capital, I will find another source for my alternative energy information if this type of political commentary continues. Please stick to your core competency, you are the best on water issues and investment opportunities I rely on your insights and opinions on that topic, not the left wing spin which was clearly espoused in this article,I'm inundated with that crap all day long. Thanks again for all you do. Merry Christmas to you and yours
Comment by Doug on 2009-12-16
Another benefit for the rich, not many poor live in The Villages. When will we understand that people want to control people.
Comment by Ira Cotton on 2009-12-16
I watch Fox News and resent being called part of the "herd." I think the government's economic policy is a shambles and that we are recovering in spite of and not because of it. Tax incentives for "efficient" vehicles are unnecessary and wasteful. If there are savings from these vehicles, consumers will embrace them without incentives. I just had to replace an old central air conditioner ad chose a heat pump because of the higher efficiency and relatively short payback period. I think the $1500 tax credit I will get for doing so is poor policy. I will take it, of course, which doesn't make me hypocritical, just rational. It will help me pay the higher taxes that this administration is planning as part of its class-warfare mindset. If you keep spouting this political drivel in an investment letter I will just need to tune you out.

PS - I was born in the East, attended an Ivy League college and have a doctorate in business administration - I am capable of thinking for myself. I can clearly see that an administration that insists on raising minimum wages when it knows that will put teenagers out of work, and subsidizes the destruction of perfectly operational vehicles that could have been bought cheaply by lower income workers and used for years (reminds me of plowing under good crops when people are hungry) is driven by ideology and not by economics or rational thought.
Comment by Jack on 2009-12-16
You obviously lack integrity; believing it's more important for you to making money off of the HOAX of Global Warming using OUR money from taxes for your self serving greed. I would never invest in someone like you that lacks integrity. The cars Stossel refers to were perfectly running cars that just did not meet the gas mileage standard of the 'BO' administration. Who is the liar?
Comment by James Hanna on 2009-12-16
Non CO2 emissions presumes the ultimate electricity source is non-emitting.
Nothing against golf carts or so-called NEV's but let me get this straight:
So it's a good idea to subsidize trading harmless CO2 emissions which feeds trees and food crops for up to a dozen lead acid batteries per "clean" vehicle? And more lead is good for environment?
Comment by RS Marsh on 2009-12-16
Hodge is one of Stossel's "venal cretins." Hodge misses the point entirely. Stossel was lamenting the folly of bureaucrats throwing money all over the place. This has nothing to do with seniors putzing around in electric carts, but everything to do with the government wasting taxpayers' hard-earned cash and sticking its nose in every nook and crack of our lives. Thank God for FOX News - without these guys, the Chicago socialist machine now running Washington would continue to have a field day propagandizing our nations into destruction.
Comment by Bill Moss on 2009-12-16
Nick -
I try to read your articles as opportunities of time permit. I also try to be opened minded to the thoughts of others. I do not consider the FOX NEWS Network to be ingaged in "fearmongering" while there are elements with in our society that promote physical acts of agression on others, such as the SEIU. Now, if you are advocting that Al Gore is correct in pumping his concept of flawed science is the way to go to encourage your readership to conserve this planet Earth, then I will have to simply DELETE you from my readings. I realize we all have different opinions, that is what makes America great, but If you call the folks at FOX NEWS "fearmongers", then I must assume you mean myself as well. Interesting, I have tried to measure myself and everything else to the level my Founding Fathers. Yet, I find just about everything they stood for is under attack. I have often asked myself, "Have we really lost our moral compass?" Perhaps, I should reevaluate your opinion, eh? I was just recalling the words of Paul Revere, when he called out, "The Red Coats are coming, The Red Coats are coming". Perhaps we should exchange "Red Coats" for "Socialist".
I wonder who is really feeding on the "fear", FOX NEWS, or perhaps yourself. There is EVIL afoot among us. Years ago, there used to be what was called "town cryers". Do we need people to cry out the evil doings of others? YES! If this news station did not report what is going on, wow how much farther would there actions have taken them? Can I conclude that you agree with the Al Gore's of the world or is the idea of making a profit at the expense of personal freedom more important to you? If that is how you measure the folks at FOX NEWS "fearmongers", well,... perhaps you have answered my question, do you Nick, measure up my "ForeFathers". Somewhere you have to make a STAND, if you can not stand by your "self", you can not stand with others.
Comment by Lacy Gilliam on 2009-12-16
Stossel left his prior employer because of their leftist bias. FOX comes a lot closer to the real truth than ABC, NBC, CBS or CNN who are nothing but lap dogs to the socialists (communists) currently in power in Washington. The real issue is not green tech, climate change or medical care - it is the orchestrated "change" from a democracy in the USA to a communist state. That is the end game of these fanatics in D.C. They are not taking us to France, they are taking us to Venezuala!
Comment by Don on 2009-12-16
Nick,
How much will it cost the world to lower the temperature just one degree?

George Penman,
The next time you need a serious operation head for Cuba baby! Leave our health care alone.
Comment by Don on 2009-12-16
Nick,
How much will it cost the world to lower the temperature just one degree?

George Penman,
The next time you need a serious operation head for Cuba baby! Leave our health care alone.
Comment by Dennis Rebman on 2009-12-16
Never saw or read Stossel's report, however I think that slamming him is about as leftest as you believe FOX is to the right. Don't all those NEVs have to be plugged in at night for a little recharge from those nasty coal fired power plants. Why don't you state your opinion and just let others do the same without slamming them.
Comment by Dennis Detweiler on 2009-12-16
My take on this is that it is not my responsibility to help pay for anyone else's golf cart, clunker or caulker. Federal tax rebates, credits or flat out give-aways come from us the tax payers. Government has no business being in that business. If you are going to use the term fear mongering, you should be careful of who you accuse. (Al Gore and his ilk may be an option)
I agree with the person who said "the best thing to come out of Washington is gridlock".
Comment by William Farkas on 2009-12-16
Stossel, Fox and the dogmatic orthodoxy unfortunaltely and unfairly affiliated with the right are enraging this country into paralysis. Imagine a family discussion that took on the tone of these guys. It would be disfunctional. Call your sister a venel cretin and lets see how the dialog goes from there. Hodge you are right. Our best science says that environment and peak oil are about to collide with social factors to become the defining issues of our times. These conditions could be America's next frontier or its tragic downfall. No matter, a lot of people will get rich anticipating these trends. And many others will get bitter by denying them. The hysteria and emotional bile of Stossel and others are making it impossible for many Americans to think. We just scream and get angry. Forget a reasoned discussion looking for a made in America solution. Who is paying these guys, the Chinese? If we want to win this race this is the worst time to be blinded by a Vaudeville of "news men" who premeditate their words to enrage audiences and are paid by the victim.. err ratings.
Comment by T. Doyle on 2009-12-16
Unfortunately, fact-based news reporting without editorial imput be it implicit or explicit is non-existant. Fox News vs. Keith Olbermann/Rachel Maddow serves as example. It's unfortunate that to not be part of the herd, we have to watch both. Sometimes a nugget of truth is exposed.
Comment by frank on 2009-12-16
I LOVED your article on this subject and that waste of air time TV network. Let's all pull the plug on these bozos so we can finally hear the truth.
I knew there was a reason to keep my subscription active!
Comment by Bill Geiger on 2009-12-16
How about some information on real engery stocks that don't depend on government subsidies and hype. Where do you think electricity comes from - an outlet in the wall?
Where are you going to put all of the wind and solar plants you are promoting? The best sites have already been stopped by the same groups promoting this green source!
Comment by William Farkas on 2009-12-16
Stossel, Fox and the dogmatic orthodoxy unfortunaltely and unfairly affiliated with the right are enraging this country into paralysis. Imagine a family discussion that took on the tone of these guys. It would be disfunctional. Call your sister a venel cretin and lets see how the dialog goes from there. Hodge you are right. Our best science says that environment and peak oil are about to collide with social factors to become the defining issues of our times. These conditions could be America's next frontier or its tragic downfall. No matter, a lot of people will get rich anticipating these trends. And many others will get bitter by denying them. The hysteria and emotional bile of Stossel and others are making it impossible for many Americans to think. We just scream and get angry. Forget a reasoned discussion looking for a made in America solution. Who is paying these guys, the Chinese? If we want to win this race this is the worst time to be blinded by a Vaudeville of "news men" who premeditate their words to enrage audiences and are paid by the victim.. err ratings.
Comment by Bob on 2009-12-16
Your article did the exact same thing Stossel's did... all rant and no substance. In any case, who cares if the tax credits are for NEVs; it is still a horrible idea for a bankrupt government to subsidize a senior's joy ride. It makes me upset to know that although I don't buy new things for myself (I prefer used or use my products until they stop working), the government wastes my hard earned dollars on such projects. This is simply legalized theft.
Comment by FairMinded on 2009-12-16
So disagreeing with you is fearmongering, but if we don't all buy your electric vehicle, the planet will immediately die ?

Stop running interference for the current administration.

When is any new ridiculous level of govt spending enough for you?
Never letting a good crisis go to waste, Washington dictated a trillion dollars in stimulus to just fly out of our wallets, as unemployment skyrocketed 50% from 6.5 to over 10 from Nov 08-Nov 09. Cash For Clunkers cavalierly tried conning me into ditching a perfectly good 10 year old vehicle for a similar new truck that would have cost me $48,000. That's $820 a month for 6 years. Spend more than my house payment to save 4 miles per gallon, are you kidding me?

Benefits have costs. Sometimes trying to get a tiny bit greener is hugely expensive, and many of us just can't afford it. No matter how hard you wring us, there's no more water left in the sponge.
Comment by Alex M. on 2009-12-16
Well Fox News is a small piece of the pie and a relative newcomer. Whenever I see a piece about Fox News, I think back to who owns it - Rupert Murdoch & Sons - and to all the other trash-talking enterprises, he runs around the world. His only interest, as far as I know, is expanding his empire, at any cost. If one of the costs is promoting trash that passes for news, but people buy into it, he is a happy and, of course, richer guy. Think about this next time you get all indignantly outraged at a Fox news piece. Your emotions being blatantly manipulated in this way are lining his pockets.
Comment by Alex M. on 2009-12-16
Well Fox News is a small piece of the pie and a relative newcomer. Whenever I see a piece about Fox News, I think back to who owns it - Rupert Murdoch & Sons - and to all the other trash-talking enterprises, he runs around the world. His only interest, as far as I know, is expanding his empire, at any cost. If one of the costs is promoting trash that passes for news, but people buy into it, he is a happy and, of course, richer guy. Think about this next time you get all indignantly outraged at a Fox news piece. Your emotions being blatantly manipulated in this way are lining his pockets.
Comment by Lloyd Walker on 2009-12-16
This is the most disgusting article I've read all week. As a Ph.D. level scientist, I've been taught to enhance my natural ability to think for myself. The goal of science is to seek the truth above all. (God IS truth, whether we all care to admit it or not.) To see science perverted for the financial gain of a portion of humanity is evil, and I now see you as one of those who wish to do this. There is nothing wrong with "green energy," in fact, nothing should be done to discourage it. Research the terms "medieval warm period" and "Maunder minimum" to understand that "Algorism" is a fraud, and public policy based on fraud leads to declines of empires. True liberty means being able to make one's decisions about one's life and resources (including, but not limited to, money and negative money [taxes]) by oneself. Negative money enhanced by fraud enervates liberty. What more can we say, comrade?
Comment by DAN HANSEN on 2009-12-16
I hope I don't need to subsidize your friggin wind mill too! I'll keep burning gasoline in my 5.7L Hemi Jeep SUV until they outlaw it. In the mean time geeks like you can get mangled in your little government special golf carts
Comment by Lee C. Estabrook on 2009-12-16
One of your Commenters, Paul Samual, pointed out the generious "tax break" given by Florida. I live in Louisiana, the combined, Federal + State "Tax break" is sizable. There is now available, locally, an electric powered 4-wheeler, suitable for off-road use on hunting trails. One local owner has even added a small engine-generator, to make his a "hybrid".

That said, I agree with your other writers who did not like the US Government buying cars (electric, gasoline, diesel or steam) reguardless of the fuel used. Also, "cash for caulkers" should only be available for those who actually cannot afford weatherizing. Banks who make imprudent loans should be permitted to fail. A Congress which pressured these banks to make those loans should be impeached.

The vehicle shown on "Fox" appeared to be very similar to a golf cart, with certain on-road features. So why not discuss the "subsidity" for an electric car? To call one of these or any other electric car a NEV is a stretch. Unless it can be recharged by a nucular power plant it will cause "pollution".

A more basic question everyone, should be asking, is what is the "proof" man is causing any warming trend on our planet? I believe there is a HYPOTHESIS presenting that claim called "Global Warming" or Climate Change". To classify CO2 as a pollutiant is ludicrous. When any oxygen breathing creature exhales, they omit CO2.
Comment by Bob Doherty on 2009-12-16
Sure would like to get build one of those CO2 fired power plants. Might help to get rid of a lot of the CO2 that people want reduced. Only problem is: CO2 won't burn, unlike bull shit.
Comment by Jay David on 2009-12-16
Your article on Stossel was very interesting, from the perspective of the typical Marxist point of view. Attacks on anyone with a public voice exposing the idiocy of socialism and the utter waste of public funds, is straight out of Carl Marx. Your venomous calling out of Stossel failed to offer any facts which could rebut his basic point.
Consistent with people of your level of intellectual and economic deficiency, is your proclivity to denounce your detractors with a deluge of demagoguery related to peripheral issues to which most people might agree; however, none of those issues address your contention that Stossel was misleading with his comments on “free golf carts”. Indeed, we have heard from many quarters other than Fox News, that is a fact that golf carts can be purchased essentially for no cost, when one applies the credit afforded by the government, using taxpayer money. Additionally, you continue your rant, by summarizing your original theme at rant’s end; perhaps in the hopes that the reader has been so assaulted with a deluge of objectionable pointes upon which you focus, to associate the unrelated negative pointes with the vitriolic critique you are attempting to foist upon Stossel. It is my opinion that you failed miserably in your attempt to do so.

P.S. In the remote possibility you would like to improve your take on proven failed Socialist, Marxist, Progressive, and Communist economic histories, try reading the Milton Freedman version of Capitalism, you may have heard of that economic process, it’s the one that made the United States the most successful economy in the world. Thought I would let you know, in case you didn’t notice.

Comment by Ernest on 2009-12-16
Great article. I am so tired of Fox New's propaganda on such issues. We not only run the risk of letting China and Idia beat us in the market for renewables but to destroy our only place to live.
Comment by jimmy on 2009-12-16
I agree that Stossel's article may have been worded more strongly than necessary but your argument is equally ridiculous. The Stimulus plan was payback. Even the Cash for Clunkers was an attempt to help out Government Motors but in the end the U.S. gave money to people who were already in the market to buy a car. It appears you are drinking the Kool-Aid. I suppose you believe in the Boogey Man and global warming too. As with most Obama apologists I see you were able to work in a bash on Bush. Typical lefty nonsense. How long does Obama have to be in office before he gets some of the blame for the recession and future inflation he is creating?
Comment by jimmy on 2009-12-16
I agree that Stossel's article may have been worded more strongly than necessary but your argument is equally ridiculous. The Stimulus plan was payback. Even the Cash for Clunkers was an attempt to help out Government Motors but in the end the U.S. gave money to people who were already in the market to buy a car. It appears you are drinking the Kool-Aid. I suppose you believe in the Boogey Man and global warming too. As with most Obama apologists I see you were able to work in a bash on Bush. Typical lefty nonsense. How long does Obama have to be in office before he gets some of the blame for the recession and future inflation he is creating?
Comment by Ron Shook on 2009-12-16
Nick,

Carefull me boy. You sure opened up a firestorm here. (g) No, your readers aren't getting much taste of reality from Fox entertainment, denial news, but let them discover that for themselves when they make their investment decisions on Fox quicksand.

And let them discover that the investment nexus falls apart when their neighbors are left behind in poverty and despair while a tiny fraction wallow in supreme power and wealth. It's just a matter of time before the bleed works up from the bottom to ingulf nearly all of us.

This whole liberal/conservative dichotomy is a load of you know what. What counts is the realities that we all face and thank you all here for studying, thinking and analysing a road map for getting through it without loosing everything to the liars and deniers.
Comment by Daryl on 2009-12-16
Haha! It's so funny to watch the Fox-lovers bash this piece. Especially since this article is spot on! These fools will still be crying about Obama, big government (which they didn't seem to mind when Bush was in office) and freedom (which is something that we don't have as long as we continue to use gasoline and diesel to power our cars and trucks) even after we've successfully transitioned to renewables. God bless you, Nick for speaking up for those who are on the right side of progress!
Comment by Fred Squillante on 2009-12-16
Nick,

I've been reading your column for months and have really respected your expertise about energy, but you've made the same mistake many athletes and other "famous" people have made ... you couldn't contain yourself and you let your political views out. Now I have no respect for your views. Let me see - Fox News caters to a bunch of idiots who resist progress, right? Well guess what? Fox News has more viewers than all the other cable and network news channels combined. So you, like your liberal elitists friends, think you're better than everyone else right? That's right out of Marx, Lenin, and Mao's book. There's the elite, and everyone else, and we all have to rely on the government, which raves about Social Security and Medicare, which are going bankrupt. And wasn't the ethanol fiasco wonderful? You can't pipe it; it takes too much energy to create energy, and it's not as efficient as gas. Yeah, more government.

Oh, and did you notice, the global warming (oh, excuse me - climate change) argument is unraveling. Apparently you've bought into that house of cards, but if you've ever looked at history you'd see that we've been warmer than we are now, and we had a mini ice age only a few hundred years ago, so don't tell me a trace gas is the culprit. Oh and by the way the EPA now says CO2 is a dangerous gas, so I guess we should just exterminate mankind, huh?

American technology is the best there is. We should drill all the oil and gas we can right here in the good old US of A, make clean coal economically feasible, use solar, wind, geothermal, and every other alternate source we can domestically get our hands on, and tell the Arabs and Chaves they can stick their oil where the sun don't shine. And you my friend, should keep your polotical opinions to yourself and stick to what you know.
Comment by Phil on 2009-12-16
Nick - Your article was nothing more than childish namecalling. Like many of the others commenting on your article, I don't agree with the way government is spending my hardearned money and should stay out of the auto business. The cash for clunkers program was a disaster and sent our taxpayer money directly to Japan. Nick, try to find us valuable investment information.
Comment by Lamargo Petersen on 2009-12-16
I would appreciate more people using this type of vehicle than breath the foul air put out by gasoline guzzlers. Use of these modes and public transit would be better for our all over health, by cutting down on the hurry hurry life that is killing us.
Keep the fast cars on the race track where they belong.
The minescule amount of people who can afford those toys are not a force to deal with.
Comment by Lamargo Petersen on 2009-12-16
I would appreciate more people using this type of vehicle than breath the foul air put out by gasoline guzzlers. Use of these modes and public transit would be better for our all over health, by cutting down on the hurry hurry life that is killing us.
Keep the fast cars on the race track where they belong.
The minescule amount of people who can afford those toys are not a force to deal with.
Comment by Charles Kenamond on 2009-12-16
Hadn't heard of NEVs, but really like Stossel. The way Wired describes them, I agree that "golf carts" is about what they are. And I am sure they work well for retired folks living in a planned community such as "The Villages." But why should you and I pay to buy them for other people? If they are so great, the free market will prove it is so. And isn't claiming that the stimulules worked a bit like Bush's ill-fated "Mission Accomplished," - just a bit early?
Comment by Keith A. Carlson on 2009-12-16
So, the NEV's don't have emissions? What about the coal plant generating the electricity? Possibly oil or gas but probably coal. This is just like cash for clunkers...a political restribution scheme to appear green to the masses. Cash for clumkers was also a political restribution scheme to allegedly make the carmakers numbers look good (temporarily). Oh yeah, the most popular car bought was Japanese.Has anyone thought about how much energy (and pollution)it took to make these new cars?
Comment by Bill Viands on 2009-12-16
The key point that Nick missed is that people of the Villages have been buying golf carts for 20 years without government help. I don't appreciate my tax dollars going for that purpose. I didn't appreciate buying new cars for people who could afford to buy them without government help. I work hard for my money and I don't appreciate Obama and the 500 plus congressional thieves taking it away from me for those purposes.
Tell Nick to stick to Energy and stay out of media. I like his work, but I like FOX even more!
PS: I live 8 miles south of the Villages, so I know of what I speak about their ability to pay! for their golf carts.
Comment by Nancy on 2009-12-16
Nick,

As a Flordian who lives in the villages part time I am one who has a golf cart and love it. But I bought it on my own with my own money. It is not the governments job to GIVE us money, force us to buy into their agenda. ENOUGH!! I would suggest you read the constitution. This governement has overstepped its authority, and I think John Stossel's thought was enough!! Butt out government, and leave us alone. Our tax dollars are to support our constitution, not everyone and everything. Period!! Their job is to protect and defend..Sorry Nick........your head is in water. Read the constitution.
Comment by Nancy on 2009-12-16
Nick,

As a Flordian who lives in the villages part time I am one who has a golf cart and love it. But I bought it on my own with my own money. It is not the governments job to GIVE us money, force us to buy into their agenda. ENOUGH!! I would suggest you read the constitution. This governement has overstepped its authority, and I think John Stossel's thought was enough!! Butt out government, and leave us alone. Our tax dollars are to support our constitution, not everyone and everything. Period!! Their job is to protect and defend..Sorry Nick........your head is in water. Read the constitution.
Comment by Jim McFall on 2009-12-16
Your critique of John Stossell's debut on Fox may be right as far as style is concerned, but what he says he is spot on. I think the use of these carts are great in the sunny climes of Florida, but wonder how they would do running to Walmart in Montana or Washington state where I live. And as far the cars for clunkers deal, I did not think there was anyone left that did not agree that this was one of the biggest bonedoggles of all time. Rate him on his writing or repoting, not on his facts. Jim McFall
Comment by Allen Ott on 2009-12-17
Why should I be happy the greenies are wasting my tax money? The idea of giving these incentives for toys is crazy. This sorry liberial congress has not ever been able to write the rules for the energy saving tax credit for windows until the year is 60% over. People installed windows and on the west and south side they do not qualifie; the rules now require solar screening.
Comment by Raymond Rapisand on 2009-12-17

Hello Nick and Chris, both of you say things that need to be said concerning how certain biased un news programs keep a good portion of americans dumb, stupid and under informed. If they were not mislead by the short sighted mistruths there would be less confusion and more consensus and thus a better inveting climate for new energy , etc. thank you for the great newsletter, I wish I had more money to invest , etc. But I get a great education from reading your materials and both of you have good writing flair....I love what you are saying as i have been around energy supply for close to 30 years. Been in the Bakken, the Uranium mines and tested soil for wind farms, etc. etc.
Energy is complex, and most of these short sighted types who think tax breaks are all bad and think that oil and gas and coal are totally free markets are so illiterate and un informed. I say to all these so called patriot conservatives , where were you when Bush and Co gave oil & gas 40 billion in tax breaks in the 2001 to 2008 time frame and where were you when bribery adn corruption by oil co's cost the US Treasure ( that is all of us taxpayers ) close to $25 billion or more in lost payment in kind royalties...so much for business efficiency...Fox will never report that....oh no...cant let the public really be informed on Truth....The cost curve is bending fast for alternatives adn going the opposite for the traditional hydrocarbons so the transition has begun finally. Granted the great gas resource discoveries in LA. Marshellius and Eat Tx and OKl area give us a great gas resource adn this will help with the electric sector and base load generation.....I could write more ...but both of you say it much better...keep up the great work...glad to see the conservative flat earthers get riled up by two very inteelligent capitalist investors that tell the WHOLE Picture not just a pollyanna version of drill baby drill...Peak Oil and other resources are here and you guys do a great job...I commend you for thinking and talking outside the box...good work. thanks for the newsletter.
Comment by W. Macy on 2009-12-17
However Stossel presented the issue
may not be the main point he was addressing. The point is that it is not the function or the right of the Federal Govt. to take my money (or borrow on my behalf) and pay for someone else's golf cart/NEV. I will soon need the money to buy my own. For now, at age 72, I walk, cut my own wood, and grow a garden.
Comment by John C on 2009-12-17
Nick,

I'm behind you 100% on this. In the long run it helps us all. If we have to have Gov't subsidies, better this than Tax Credits to IBM for jobs in India. This American Industry get a needed push vs. Lockheed, Haliburton, et. al.
Comment by john mcphedran on 2009-12-17
Nick....... You obviously have a critical/analytical mind.....to rant against Fox news is inevitable if one has any independence of thought....I have watched BBC, CNN Canadian BC, Austrailian BC, Bloombergs, Aljezera, and many other news services. Fox news is perhaps the worst news service in the free world. It is certainly the worst that I have watched. That many Americans accept this level of journalism is part of the reason that the USA and the rest of the world have such difficulties coming to grips with their problems. Look at their handling of the decision to go to war in Iraq or their handling of the health care debate. In my mind it is absolutely acceptable to point out the inanity of this kind of journalism.
Comment by Lance Schultz on 2009-12-17
Nick,

It's become expected from you leftist cowards to attack the messenger since you're wholly incapable of attacking or debunking the message with facts. You're emotion charged rhetoric cannot stand up to reason and logic. Truth is, I cannot remember when or how I signed up for your worthless electric banter but I do remember swiftly depressing the delete button each and every time it arrives. Today just gives me rise to take the next step needed and remove myself of your vacuous globalist tirades.
Comment by Joe Barker on 2009-12-17
While I dissagree with the main bang of your article becouse I want a smaller government foot print in my life. This administration is the rush to spend, don't read the bill, pass it NOW!panic mongers much more than Fox is.
Comment by Andrew Cylkowski on 2009-12-17
Finally someone who tells it like it is. For too long fox has been passing itself off as "news". It is not news!!! Fox is the mouthpiece of the far right and it's sucking many decent folks into believing its lies and distortions. Fox takes advantage of good peoples unquestioning patriotism and religion. You have bravely pointed this abuse of the public trust and welfare out...now get ready for the inevitable smearing that will occur.
You are a patriot.
Comment by Bill Buterbaugh on 2009-12-17
I really thought you guys had a lot more on the ball than this article supporting the left wing, seems everywhere I turn there is just another person or organization like yourselves looking for a hand out from Uncle Sam, I truly am convinced of the shallowness of the American public. It just comes down to the fact that no one wants to work anymore !!!
Comment by Charles Rinehart on 2009-12-17
Kudos to you Nick for your enlightening article! Ignore the unenlightened comments from the nabobs, they know not!
Comment by Peter on 2009-12-18
I read what the two polar (pun intended) opposites have said here.

Whoopee.

Let me boil (yes, another pun) it down for y'all ---

The Constitution of the United States is clear to all who claim to read words in context and understand (comprehend) their meaning.

There is no mention anywhere about 90% of the C-rap passed by the Federal government as legislation. All of you, and I mean ALL of YOU, criers and whiners and mis-representers, are a disgusting lot. All of you shrivel from the responsibility to your fellow man, so ..... you have Big Brother do it. YOU ARE A FRIGGIN' STATIST.

You want to help the poor --- step up and show them the way to a better life. You feel things aren't fair in the world --- work with others to prepare those who need to meet the challenge of reality. Jealous of your neighbor making more money than you --- find out what he has that others want (and pay to have it) and do what they do to earn it.

Geeezzzzzzzz .... you're such a sorry lot.

For me, I want the Fed to do what they are directed to do in the Constitution, leaving the rest "to the States, or to the People."



Pathetic. Sad. Weaklings.

May God have mercy on you.
Comment by John Hemmer on 2009-12-18
My sister and brother-in-law who earn probably > $300,000 / year traded in 2 so called clunkers for cash. Probably got 3-5 mpg improvement in mileage. These are cars that would have been traded in soon anyway. Many of the cars traded and destroyed were good cars that to those less well to do would have been able to afford. Have you seen the price of used cars has gone through the roof.
The cash-for-clunkers was one of the most idiotic bills ever passed by Congress.

As for the Global Warming, I would be willing to debate you, or anyone you choose, about the scientific proof for man-made global warming. It just simply does not exist. I have been following the merits of what we know about Climate change since the 1960's. Those who agree with the so-called consensus are mostly know nothings whose agenda would take us back to the stoneage.
Comment by John Hemmer on 2009-12-18
Nick, I think that everyone who traded in a Clunker should go door-to-door and thank 40 of their neighbors for their $100 contribution.
Comment by Jim on 2009-12-18
I didn't see Stossel's piece so I won't try to defend him against your obviously biased analysis.

You called him a "jounalist" and suggested he should stick to the news.

Sir, he is not a "journalist" and does not profess to be one. He is a commentator on the issues of life. And a pretty good one. There are "journalists" in the alphabet media that have proven time and time again in recent months that true investigative journalism is truly dead. Instead, they take dictation from this administration and report it as "news". A hard question posed to this president would be "What grade would you give yourself?" Yikes, take it easy on the poor fella, would ya?

And you single this story out because it fits your twisted and false agenda of foisting alternative energy on the populace or the seas will rise. This has been already proven to be bad science, despite the "consensus" of opinion of some scientists. Besides, how can it be a scientific truth if it is just a "consensus" of opinion anyway? But I digress.

I love NEV's. We have good friends that have lake front property out in the wilds of east Texas but most of those in their little community have NEV's strictly from a convenience point of view. Others have gas-powered ATV's for getting around.

If the neighborhood in FL requires everyone to have an NEV and they know that going in, it sounds like a great idea and sounds like a mighty fine community. But they need to buy their own.

Using my tax dollars to buy them their NEV's or anyone else for that matter is totally unacceptable and I would feel like Stossel. Enough already!

So, sorry, Nick. You blew this one.

By the way, the glaciers in Greenland are not all melting away. Here's a short story to prove my point.

In July 1942, a flight of P-38 fighters were flying from the USA to Britain to fight in WWII. They ran into bad weather, ran out of gas and had to ditch on a glacier in Greenland. In 1992, 50 years later, a group of salvagers thought they'd go in, gas them up and fly them out but they couldn't find them. They brought in ground-penetrating radar and imagine their surprise when they found BURIED UNDER MORE THAN 200 FEET OF NEW ICE. The melted a shaft down to one of the planes, took it apart, shipped it home and spent years rebuilding her. They named her "Glacier Girl" and if you Google Glacier Girl, you'll get the full story.

So, in just 50 years, Greenland grew more than 200 feet of new ice - and they say it's melting.

It's just too hard to get to the truth through all the hysteria like Al Gore saying the ice caps will melt in 5 years then ridiculed in Copenhagen for spreading misinformation.

I know this is long, but hey - you write some pretty lengthy stuff, too.

Thanks.
Comment by Greg on 2009-12-19
Electric cars are great I like them, but the electric comes from somewhere and there is an extra loss of efficiency when coal, natural gas or oil is used to make and ship the electric to be used in the car verses just using that fuel to begin with. The wind and solar generation is just a drop in the bucket compared to what is used.
We should not be truned off by any of our fuel sources we will need them all.
Comment by Jon Rice on 2009-12-20
I believe Stossels point was to point out one more area where government subsidies are far from what the founders had in mind when they created the Constitution. I think it is great if Americans want to band together in black top communities and ride around in green vehicles, but to have taxpayers foot part of the bill for those vehicles is completely wrong.

Anything that saves a person money will take off on it's own merits and should not be subsidized by government.

As far as Cash for Clunkers, how are dealers fairing presently? Sales may have soared under Cash for Clunkers but are waning as I write. Just read that Saab is closing it's doors and won't be surprised if more car companies go under.

Media, as a whole, is no longer trustworthy and having financial problems as Americans become more aware of the complicity between media and our progressive government. As I understand it, many print publications will soon be seeking taxpayer money to bail them out. Won't be long before government will control every facet of our lives from what we read to what we eat, to what we drive and how much plus how warm or cool we can maintain ourselves.

Completely factual or not, without Stossel's piece, many of us would not have known about the NEV debacle as many of us do not know much of what this secret administration is doing.
Comment by Brent R Kopp on 2009-12-21
While I agree with much of the commentary on this website, particularly the anti- intellectulism of much of the American public, there are some nuances that disturb me.
I served in academia(medical school) for 22 years, but I found many of the faculty and administrators to be close minded boobs, with little appreciation for the genius of the American political system except for their constant whining for more government paid grants. The disdain of the general public for most of these self righteous jerks is well earned. Your columns seem to have a propensity for government support where that support is more likely to render poor selection of winners and losers and rigged decks as currently dealt by John Murtha and his "airport to nowhere".
I lived in an upscale retirement community in Tucson, Az for 11 years. Such complaining and whining you have never seen, and the something for nothing crowd was in an abundance. Every activity was grand and "needed": as long as someone else paid for it in the dues. The last thing my fellow "naybors" needed was another handout. $2500 tax credit my butt!
BTW, this year I spent $26000 for a whole house geothermal system, because as you do, I believe a severe energy adjustment will hit us in the next ten years. It works great.
Last thing, if you know your history, you know the Mann hockey stick is a total joke.
Comment by Dan Hovendick on 2009-12-21
Somehow you forgot to include the, oil it took to mine and transport the coal and the coal itself that was used to make the electricity, so how is it "green"? Then you add tax credits,and bailouts to subsidize the the manufacturing and destruction of assets in the name of "green" so that people who now produce nothing, who are actually on welfare since they collect more than they ever paid in to social security can go get their subsidized medications and play golf. And you cannot figure out why this country is bankrupt. Progressives are apparently not capable of logical reasoning. Stimulus has to be directed at investments that generate recurring income through export otherwise you are throwing money down a rathole and next month you have to borrow money to payout again to keep the ridiculous cycle going. If the answer is the federal government spending then put everyone on the Federal tit and see how long it lasts.
Comment by R.Sanders on 2009-12-22
He may have used otherwise efficient (in their niche) NEV's as the straw-man to beat up, but even Stossel was heated in his disdain NOT for the drivers, purchasers, or inventors of the vehicle.
Stossel was critical (and yes, a bit overboard on terms but only if you've never watched the filth on MS-NBC) of the politicians who continually throw subsidies into the market - however well intentioned - that ALWAYS result in taxation spending that the market would have made more efficient. Government simply can NOT spend it's way to ANY positive impact on an economy, it is always money stolen at the end of an IRS-gun and then handed out like candy to reward someone else, with a bit skimmed off the top.
Stossel was correct. The subsidies are bad economic policy, even if they help your stock picks.
Comment by joel deckard on 2010-01-13
All of these "principled" objections to "government give-aways" were never heard as billions - surely trillions, overall - were given to the oil, gas, nuclear, coal and assorted other companies for many years.

Intellectual dishonesty can only be excused by applying the well-known Christian enunciation: "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

(The only problem is, many of them DO know what they do, and these are the ones who will burn in Hell forever-and-ever without relief or pity from any of us in Heaven who will look down on them in their agony and just smile as we peel another grape in smug satisfaction over having made the right call when we were still mortal human beings.)

The article was excellent work. I hope it didn't cost you too much.

Sincerely

Joel Deckard
Comment by Sondra Eckstein on 2010-01-15
As many have already stated, I resent the government giving MY tax money so someone else can have a tax credit. I agree with Charles Giannotti: "Silly me, I did all these energy-saving things without waiting for the government to subsidize me with other people's tax dollars." Therefore, I will do nothing further to "go green" until the government offers me a program of some kind.

I will say I'm impressed with the quality of the comments on this site. The contributors do not rant, know how to spell and form sentences, do not use profanity or call names, and most try to get their viewpoint across in a reasoned manner. Much better than the comments I see on other blogs. Refreshing.
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